New layout. Admin pls fix it, thx!

rainb0ww · #1 20th July 2009

Haiz... i dont like new layout
Reasons :
1. the bubble chat in room is too big. Moreover, i cant see what player said clearly when its her/his turn, coz their chat are stacked. If i want to know what he/she said, i have to check it on chat history (the transparent one on below). troublesome.

2. But, when i open that transparent box & increase it size (to read their chat), i cant click cards.
b4 we got new layout, i can click cards even that transparent box in bigger size.

3. I think we dont need to know who log in & log out when we r playing. & the warning of give our password to someone else doesnt need enter to our room.
I confused & get headache when i have to check chat history, n then it mixed with warning password, whisper, who log in & log out, etc. & all of them got different bright colors. haizzzzzzzz.............. sore eyes.

4. We cant parking there now. Usually i just parking in lobby, not playing. After parking awhile , suddenly on screen appears "idle limit exceeded". haizzzzzzzz........

Admin, i think old layout better than now.

re_piscesgirl · #2 21st July 2009

I agree! We want the old version back...

huibee · #3 21st July 2009

Regarding idle limit

Frankly speaking, i found no good and persuasive reason to ask admin to remove the idle limit on zany (and wonder whether any other players can provide some gd reason, apart from the fact that you really hope to camp there?). But here I share my case..

I'm not in GMT+0800 time zone, but im a regular zany player, in which sometimes, during my night time (which is about 3-5am in SG), there are hardly any player in Zany (yes, zany always suffer from the problem of having no player, and we, high lvl players should be responsible for this - as we kick the low lvls most of the time.. HAHAHA). So what I normally do, is that i create a room, or camp myself in the lobby, and see who will join me, or pm some that are possibly not sleeping to join me.. Sometimes to get a table of full players, it could take half an hour or even more.. When I was in uni, I normally camp myself there, while doing assignments or some other stuff.. if the idle limit thingy remains, which means i need to keep going back in 3-5 mins and move around.. while waiting for players.. and i find this rather silly..

I know my case is not a common one. But... haiya, zany players just sooo used to camp there (although I don't know what's the point to camp there while they go to zzZzzz), sometimes watch the lobby and see friends log in, then we could chat.. or friends would pm me when they see I camp there to play together - it's all about making us stay. I know in most other games that I do play, this idle limit has applied for quite sometimes.. but, can we, zany players, be a little bit more demanding and special, can we NOT have the idle limit thingy applies to us, please? Unlike other games, we often suffer from lack of players (nothing to do can always go to big2.5, there are always more than 100 players there regardless of time).. and for players like me, I normally play only with friends, and that idle limit thingy annoys me even more..

Apart from idle limit, I agree with the above points (especially the in-game whisper thingy that makes me so busy & the transparent chatbox that cant be "clicked through"), and also another 2 threads discussing similar issues.. We do appreciate the improvement that You guys trying to make, but we will be more grateful if our opinions are being noticed and our questions are being answered (I noticed that there are posts under Zany that asked about Ranking Point but get no response at all, although it doesnt matter me, but even if you feel we players have no need of knowing the calculation ways, you should still at least reply them... in my opinion)

huibee · #4 21st July 2009

one thing I like yet don't seem to be liked by other players, is that mini feed of logging in and out thingy.. Because just now when I was playing with A,B,C, I saw my gd zany friend player D logged in, so I could leave them and went to find player D.. this cant be known in the older version Zany unless D pm me..

Admin · #5 21st July 2009

1. Chat Bubble
It was designed to be smaller than the previous version, you mean its bigger now? What did you mean that it was stacked?

2. Clicking through chat area
The chat was meant to be selectable to facilitate copy-paste actions where required, as well as being able to click on a player's name. We'll try to figure something out for Zany Bridge.

3. Login / Logout / Warnings
You only get login/logout notifications of your friends. Not every player. That's one of the purpose of adding friends.

For the warnings, it is necessary as a reminder to the players. We do get very frequent cases of accounts lost by players who unknowingly gave out their passwords - however obvious it may sound.

4. Idle Timeout
Idle timeout was originally already in place long ago but somehow broke in Zany Bridge some time ago. We're getting alot of exasperated players who enter a match and waste their time waiting for the players who are AFK, and they have no way of knowing whether the players are there or away. Ultimately, more often than not, having players parked there had used up unnecessary resources and wasted other players' times.

Incoming private messages will now only appear in the chat window until you choose to pop it up in a separate window. Hopefully this will reduce the hanging issues here.

Most of the changes were based on feedback from the players who contacted us, while some were to alleviate certain problems that arose in the games. We will most certainly welcome additional feedback but compromises may have to be made sometimes.

rainb0ww · #6 21st July 2009

#1, i mean i cant see clearly what player said when it his/her turns coz the sentence of their chat is hidden by his/her name. (got 2 layer (chat sentence&name) at the same time & the same place).

Admin, u said the bubble chat is smaller than the previous one??? i think its bigger now, too big! i prefer the previous version.

#3. The warning appears too often, & the color is too bright.

#4. the idle timeout. i was parking there only 10 minutes, when i back to zany, its already time out. coz of that, i cant read my friend's pm.
Its our habit. parking & wait friends. they can pm me even i afk or do something else (eg : browsing or play other game). Sometimes while im parking in zany, i play sushido. even i play sushido, sometime i check zany, got someone find me or not. if yes, i'll be back to zany after finish the match in sushido.

I think that idle timeout in zany unreasonable, u said "wasted other players' times, -_-
They can play 1st if we didnt reply their pm. but when we back, we can reply them & play together or just chat in lobby or chat privately.
if there is idle limit exceeded, how i know who was looking for me before server kicked me??

Admin · #7 21st July 2009

1. Chat bubbles blocked by player name during his/her turn is fixed.

3. It was meant to bright actually. At the moment it is once in 5 - 6 minutes, at most once a match or in extremely long games, 2 times.

4. It times out if you had not touched the mouse nor keyboard within 10 minutes.

We have several groups of players complaining of players who "park" a match and go idle. It is not reasonable to ask players to enter your match and let them guess whether you're there or not, and then leave exasperated after a minute or two.

Basically, we are paying quite alot for the bandwidth that players consume but are not even in a game, and need to reduce such instances.

We understand your concerns of waiting for players, but staying idle in the game now may not be a good solution. We will need to come up with something else to address it.

Blaspheremy · #8 21st July 2009

agree!!

i think chat bubble is bigger too, that square shape waste more space at room. i think circle is better.

about idle limit
admin, u said about player who park n AFK at room. i think that room is created because of that hanging problem. while a player hang, that room not closed n the player still there until we log in to zany again. so u said it is waste other players' times but we didnt suppose to do that. it is because that error problem. i ve played zany for a long time and player who AFK never park at room. if they AFK, they usually create room with password so i think no player wont come in n it wont disturb other players.

1 more, i have a bad connection internet n i spend a lot of time to log in (loading time) , if i afk awhile n every 10 minutes server kick me out, its such a waste of time especially for me. maybe there is some players that have same problems with me.
thanks.. ^^

huige · #9 21st July 2009

Complaint of unfairness to admin? Away from keyboard (afk) in a match because of bad internet connection or computer hanging or whatever reason, is no choice.. can't do anything, but to other ppl's viewpoint , it's testing their patience, so to the other players it's not fair to them, but come on, be understandable as I have stated the reasons above for afk. Dun say not fair lor.. where got not fair to u all the rest? At most can call the ownerof the match to kick the affected player out of the match can le lo.. dun blame - blame for what validity?

Regarding the issue of not allowing to stay (use the word "park" is funny la.. parking yourself in a place like parking a car in a carpark.. haha) in lobby of a game for a long time, the problem for admin is to having to deal with the BW, but on the other hand I suppose the main problem for players actually is not the parking itself, but the main intended purpose for parking - to receive pm from their frens to like for example to start playing.. currently, the fren list appearing in the lobby of a game only hightlights those frens that are IN THE GAME CHANNEL itself, but if u go and see the lobby of other games that the fren is not playing, the fren's name in the fren's list will not be highlighted. Thus admin I suggest having a saved message log of a chat within a previous amount of time,when a player enters the game channel again after being kicked out by idle, or when he/she enters another game channel again - say in the previous 30 mins? But b4 implementing this idea, enable chatting to offline players, cos player being kicked out from idle or when haven come into any game channels will appear to be offline in the fren list of a game lobby. This idea of enabling chatting window to oflline players and having a history chat messages list came from MSN.. when a fren in MSN is offline u can still open his/her window and type messages in the window so that when he/she comes online he/ she can see the messages.

By the way admin, please seriously take a look of this thread and have a REPLY regarding the ranking points which many players have being anxiously waiting for your answer already! I myself also will like to know. Dun say you have not taken noticed of this query at all -- the link for this thread is below:
http://www.viwawa.com/forums/to-admi...ints.8958.html

DoorWays · #10 21st July 2009

bravo huige !!

Admin's adoption of "silence" over the issue of "scoring system" and "ranking points" is really absurd and puzzling. I can't think of any reason for admin not to address this issue at all. Unless ... hmmm ... there is no proper scoring system maintained or admin has no clue at all?

Since Admin's focus is on this "new format" thread .. it was indeed a good idea to try to "catch" his attn here .. to let him know that there is an outstanding "thread" left un-answered.

We fully understand that we should not mix-up two different issue on one thread .. but we are left with no choice .. it seemed this is an alternative route to see if admin remembered us ... the faithful wawa supporter who are still waiting for admin's reply to this earlier matter raised:
http://www.viwawa.com/forums/to-admi...ints.8958.html

Admin · #11 21st July 2009

The AFK issue refers to the owners being AFK actually, not the other players. In any case, yes it is actually a different issue altogether and we should be looking at the root of the problem, and not a need to stay afk.

About the other thread, the answer will have to come later. I will post the reason there.

huibee · #12 21st July 2009

HAHAHA.. so actually the idle limit had always been applied to zany just that it was spoilt?
wow.. we're lucky then, had the advantage for such a lonnnnnggg time..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admin

The AFK issue refers to the owners being AFK actually, not the other players.

i thought this problem has always been sorted by owner being kicked when all 3 other players "ready" while the owner doesn't click start?
So this shouldn't be an issue right?
How about longer idle limit? e.g. 30mins? (they're going to hate me for compromise this >"<)
normally at night when i wait for 30mins and there are still no players i will leave also..
AND, blash is right.. it takes time to load and join back the game..
Or.. admin, in your last post you actually trying to tell us that our needs don't have to be met?

anyway, i understand regarding the bandwidth being "wasted" for players who are not actually playing, im going to scold those who always camp there when they go to bed.. xD

regards to your colleagues who are being quarantined and taking medical leaves... =X

ErdingerLight · #13 21st July 2009

Hi admin, I remember back then when viwawa first started, I could actually check whether my friends are online anot even when they are in different games with me under the friends column. I clearly remembered that their names will be highlighted as long they are in anyone of the games and we could still actually communicate through pm even in different games. I realize this was changed not long ago and therefore i think some of the wawas here ended up parking in one game while waiting for their friends to online, they were playing in another game.

Anyway, dun get me wrong. I fully agreed to what you all have done about the idle limit as this, for my opinion, will be of some help to the current lagging in some of the games.

ErdingerLight · #14 21st July 2009

oh ya...one more thing to add on...i think its quite redundant to have the whisper function. It only makes us confused with the whole chat...

Admin · #15 21st July 2009

huibee, what I meant in the previous post is that, we ought to be looking at the root of the problem, which is looking for friends or opponents in the game. Staying AFK in the game was a solution that came up but didn't work well with the game servers, its more of a fix for a secondary problem and not a cure.

ErdingerLight, the friends visibility issue was a result of physical geography of our servers as we had more games. Basically, games from Zany Bridge onwards would not be able to see or chat with the other earlier games. It is a current limitation that we would be working to improve on in the future without a big drop in performance.

As for the whisper function, it was actually requested by a number of people in the other games. Different camps wanted different things, so we made the option of both the in-chat private message and popup.