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Unread 19th January 2010
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Default Item Upgrading Discussions

This thread shall consolidate ALL discussions related to item upgrading. Please do not create more repeated threads as they will be deleted.

This section has been brought forward from the player guide.

All equipment can be upgraded, and the level of upgrade will be shown in each item's icon as +1, +2, +3, etc. Each upgrade will increase the item's base attributes. However, the success of each upgrade is not guaranteed. If successful, the upgrade level increases by 1. If it fails, any existing upgrade on that item will be reverted to 0. The success rate of each upgrade diminishes as the upgrade level gets higher.

When dishes are upgraded, they will emit a glow in the game. The glows will differ with each level of upgrade.

Examples:
If you have a Strawberry +4 and apply a Chilli Powder to it, there is a HIGH CHANCE that it will revert to +0 and a SMALL CHANCE that it will upgrade to +5. By going ahead with the upgrade, you are agreeing to take this risk.

Frequently Asked Questions About Upgrading

Q: I tried to upgrade from +3 to +4 and it failed, and it goes back to +0!!!! WHY?
A: As explained above.

Q: Why can't the upgrade just remain as it is when it fails, instead of going back to +0?
A: The game has been designed with balancing the power of players and NPCs in mind. As such, extremely high powered upgrades are very RARE.

By allowing the upgrade to remain at the existing level after any failed enhancement, we are drastically increasing the chances of a high upgrade and will need to take other measures to counter-balance it. This includes but is not limited to:
  • Increased NPC damage
  • Reduced upgrade success rate
  • Lower Chilli Powder drop rate
The above will potentially damage the game experience for a lot of players.

Q: What is the success rate at each upgrade level?
A: The success rate is dependent on the item's degree and current upgraded level. The chances drop significantly as you attempt higher upgrades. Lucky Jam increases the success rate by an absolute 10%. So for example, if the original success rate is 50%, adding the lucky jam increases your chances to 60%.

Q: Is Chilli Powder always on sale now?
A: Chilli Powder was a controlled item, but was brought on sale on a few occasions each year. It is now permanently available at a price for those who do not wish to wait to complete their quests or to wait for chance drops.

Q: What is the maximum upgrade level?
A: Technically, the maximum is 10. We have seen players with Strawberry +6 already.

Q: What is the difference between the different grade in the magic items?
A: Each grade is for a different level range of items.
Grade 1 magic items are for equipments from level 1 to 9.
Grade 2 magic items are for equipments from level 10 to 19.
Grade 3 magic items are for equipments from level 20 to 29.

Q: I upgraded my defense equipment to +5, but comparing with my friend who did not do any upgrades at all, there's only a very small difference in the damage we received. WHY?
A: The damage received by each player depends on several factors. Most of the time, it is because your friend, or the one shooting you has different affinity ratings. Damage taken depends on the following:
  • Defense rating of the player getting hit (your armor, upgrades, etc)
  • Affinity ratings of the player getting hit
  • Affinity ratings of the player shooting the dish
  • Attack rating of the dish and upgrades
Damage taken is not affected by the level of the player at all.

When comparing the damage received, multiply the difference by the number of times you get hit in a game. It should amount to a relatively significant figure.

Q: I just upgraded my dish, why is my damage not higher?
A: Refer to earlier question on the factors determining damage. You might have changed your dish configuration, hence changing your affinity ratings. The affinity ratings can affect your damage as well. Affinity can be extremely powerful when used correctly with upgraded dishes.

Q: I attempted XXX times at upgrading my dish and couldn't get to +8. Why? Is there a bug?
A: The chances of success for +6 to +7, and +7 to +8 are both very very low. To get to +8, you need to be successful twice in a row.

Example (numbers are not the actual success rates but not far off)
  • Chance of +6 to +7 = 20%
  • Chance of +7 to +8 = 15%
  • Chance of +6 to +7 AND +7 to +8 = 0.20 x 0.15 = 0.03, which is 3%
  • Which means on average, only 1 out of 33 attempts are successful to getting +8
  • Based on above, 20% of the time +6 successfully goes to +7. So on average, 33 + 0.2x33 = 40 Chilli Powder may be required IF you use a +6 preservative every time.
  • Lastly, this is completely based on luck. A lucky player may get it successful on the first try, while an unlucky one may fail many more tries.
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Unread 24th January 2010
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upgrade 4 times

admin,
i make my dumpling to +4 but cannot when i upgrade tats failed....then my dumpling back to +0
gerrrrr...tell something about tats upgrade lar,so we not make a fault
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: upgrade 4 times

You really should read the forums carefully.
We discussed about upgrading and failing lots of times already.
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: upgrade 4 times

its about luck..max should be +5..
so +4 is pretty good already..
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default please FIX this...

admin..this is about upgrading..

admin when we upgrade strawberry example..

1st succes > become +1
2nd succes > become +2
3rd succes > become +3
4th succes > become +4

then when we try

5th FAIL! > become 0 !!!!!!!!!!

admin if cooking has fail please make it back to previous, means no change..then just waste 1 chilli power grade *its nvm*. but IF keep fail like this n become 0 when we can reach high level of our dish. you can imagine if we already reach +10 then 11th we fail??!!!!!!!!!!!!!


walao....please change this thing.
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: please FIX this...

This is the intended design with all the probabilities incorporated. It is a risk component in the game that you decide to take before the attempt. Please do not upgrade if you cannot take the potential upgrade failure. There may be items to protect your items at certain safe levels in the future though, since all the upgrade and enhancement items are already given for free.

It cannot revert back to the same upgrade level as it upsets the balance of the game. In doing so, we will need to either reduce the drop rate of chilli powder drastically, increase the NPC damage, or reduce the success rate drastically. In any case, it will not be easy to get a +5.

We will add a notice when you are upgrading to ensure players are completely aware of the risk they are taking.
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: upgrade 4 times

Max is +10, technically.
Currently highest is +6.
Admin posted this on another thread.
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Default Re: please FIX this...

I think you posted this before?
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: Item Upgrading Discussions

who have strawberry+6?
wowo

i add all in equip. wrong put
my equip no diferent status, already+3
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Default Re: Item Upgrading Discussions

@ch15z
I emailed support@viwawa.com regarding that matter. I also have +2 and +1 in different equipments. Their reply was that there's already increased stats, but unknown to us.
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Which is better for Wasabi,Sugar,Chilli and Lucky Jam?

Hi,

Admin,which is better?
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: Which is better for Wasabi,Sugar,Chilli and Lucky Jam?

There is no better or worse.
Wasabi adds STR
Sugar adds INT
Chilli adds hidden Stats
Lucky Jam just increase the chances of upgrading.
It's your choice on what you need.
You shouldn't post here.
Post here instead: http://www.viwawa.com/forums/item-up...ons.13079.html
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: Item Upgrading Discussions

if +10 is the max lvl,then anything below +5 causing failure seems rather "unfair"..
at least +7 imo...
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: Item Upgrading Discussions

No. +10 is for super rare cases. +5 is already very good.
Don't forget you can make +5 in more than 1 recipe.
If you want it to be at least +7, then the BOTs ought to be buffed.
They really are easy enough currently.
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Unread 24th January 2010
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Default Re: Item Upgrading Discussions

+4 is a bit hard , i use jam also fail.

Now I quite satisfy with my hotdog+3,Deal damage 172.
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